I imagine you have run off to lick your wounds, snotthickens, but let me finish your richly deserved beatdown.
See, it doesn't work like that when you talk about 'States.'
1) Wasn't talking about states.
"But when you subtract monies GIVEN TO CHURCHES, "red states" don't donate near as much as blue states. So all the extra piety the red states have? Easy to give to a priest in a megachurch who tithes. Not so easy to give to charities you aren't required to visit every week, but the blue states manage somehow. '
Welfare is a human right. It can be contrasted quite easily with charity, which is a voluntary action. The commonality is the recipient, but that's where it begins and ends.
Welfare can be conditional and should be, at least the conditions should be set as public policy.
Charity can be what it bloody well likes.
What makes you say welfare is a human right?
That's a bit of a tricky question because I want to avoid empty assertions.
I contend that all human rights are socially determined, that's the first point and something the rest of my argument relies on. Human rights, being socially determined, are there to be specified and regulated.
I'm referring to western society now, particularly English society.
Society has always recognised that there will be "the poor". Throughout history there have been various social arrangements for dealing with the poor. I use that term "dealing with" deliberately as specifically in English history there has been a sort of dualistic approach using the criminal law to punish "vagrants" but also to use less punitive but still quite savage solutions such as workhouses.
Most western societies have left behind the poorhouse and replaced it with a more enlightened approach to alleviating - on a temporary basis - the poverty which visits some of us from time to time. Welfare is the modern model.
The purpose of welfare is to maintain human life. Human life is the primary human right, so it follows that any enabling process which goes to maintenance of human life is so important that it must be designated a human right. It hasn't always been so as this extract from some of Marx's writing shows:
Some further cases of starvation have occurred in London during the present month. I remember only that of Mary Ann Sandry, aged 43 years, who died in Coal-lane, Shadwell, London. Mr. Thomas Peene, the surgeon, assisting the Coroner’s inquest, said the deceased died from starvation and exposure to the cold. The deceased was lying on a small heap of straw, without the slightest covering. The room was completely destitute of furniture, firing and food. Five young children were sitting on the bare flooring, crying from hunger and cold by the side of the mother’s dead body.
So, to sum up. A human right is what society says it is. The right to life is a human right. That which is proposed to protect and maintain human life is also a human right. Welfare proposes to protect and maintain human life. Therefore welfare is a human right.
plasmaball: Yes a woman's Orgasm is like trying to spot the wild snow leopard. You must wait weeks upon maybe months and if you are lucky you might spot a small puddle from this cunning creature called the orgasm. its more like sometimes you have to fake it because
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plasmaball: we find you boring.
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LadyGunSlinger: Your psychobabble is just that and shows you don't know shit about a woman's body.
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plasmaball: sigh sarcasm is lost on the stupid. dear the womans body is not a rubix cube.
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LadyGunSlinger: As if I am suppose to be able to discern your attitude over the interwebz??
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